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the shocker for men? I'll pass

Nothing shocking about pedoph!le nuisance_sucks buying this to prey on little kids.

The "shocker" part comes when you try and take this Chinese lead-sled "mountain" bike over a speedbump and it falls to pieces - landing a handlebar or seat pole squarely in your wal-mart shopping browneye.

remove seat for full shocker function

Oooh ooh!!! Nothing shocking that my my she-male girlboyfriend australopithecus is in love with nuisance_sucks again!!! Why dont you come here and I will give you lots and lots of big fat wet sloppy bacon pedo troll kisses on your bottom lovergirlboy!!! LOL!!! ROFL!!! LMAO!!! PWND!!!

any recommendations for a good brand mtb? non-chinese made.

Nothing less than $1K build in the USA. See
http://allanti.com/page.cfm?PageID=328

The Schwinn Frontier is a reasonable inexpensive bike at $199 + shipping at hhttp://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?sku=23722

Specialized or Trek or Giant. I'd say $500 minimum but $700 is better, get disc brakes. There are others, sometimes diamondback at carrots sporting goods is a good deal, Cannondale, etc. Through the mail, Ibex offers a lot of bike for the money, IMO if you know how to set one up yourself and know your size, etc. Nice thing about a bike shop is they fit you but also usually do adjustments for free for the first year. And there will be many if you ride in the woods and beat the crap out of the bike like you should if you are having fun. This bike in this deal will break in half if you ride it like a true mountain bike. Bike mags have done it, broke bikes like this in an hour in the woods.

The Ibex site seems to be down right now. If maximum bang per buck is important, check out bikesdirect.com. They sell bikes based on frames from Kinesis industry in Taiwan (http://www.kinesis.com.tw/), with high quality components under licensed brand names like Motobecane (kind of like your Westinghouse or Polaroid TVs where the name sounds good but really doesn't mean anything), at prices much less than comparable bikes from Trek or Giant. Reviews are mixed. The key to success seems to be to plan on having a local bike shop disassemble then reassemble your bike once it arrives.

This site is starting to suck balls.

Australopithicus' mom loves it when I give her the "shocker".

This bike is good for only one thing - transporting illegal aliens to and from the fields, or Home Depot. I would use the word hard worker but this site blocks it. For some reason, they do not also block the words honky, redneck, or cracker. Hmmmmm.

why do they continue to list boat anchor bikes on here? it is a disservice to the community.

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You're implying the couch potato deal seekers here would benefit from disc brakes? Doubtful, until you start talking about riding in the rain or serious downhill.

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You'll find that any bike needs adjustments starting out new, it' inevitable that the cables stretch and brakes seat for example even on the tamest road rider's bike. However, it's not much more trouble to learn to DIY than it is to have to take the bike to the shop then pick it up again, and tools required cost under $10 in most cases if someone is young enough not to have accumulated allen wrenches, pliers, etc. yet.

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I recommend Giant Yukon - you get a lot for your money - you won't regret the purchase. You can spend $200 on something from Target but you will regret it.