ChiefValue.com has the Maxtor DiamondMax 21 500GB SATA 3.0 Gb/s Hard Drive (STM3500630AS) for $100 - $3 code CPAGTYTWF36 = $97 with free shipping. Features a 16MB Cache and spins at 7200RPM.
#1: What was the size of your sample set that let you determine that statistically Maxtor's fail after a month? What percentage fail? What type of usage pattern were you looking at?
No kidding, #1. Bought 2 Maxtors in the past and both literally died 1 day after the 30 day return for refund/replace date from newegg and a separate one from buy.com Yes yes, I know that Seagate now takes care of the returns..which is nice, because what I got back was just that and it's been running ever since without a hiccup.
It's no wonder that chick that goes by 'toddsucks2' brings burp math into this. Math is the biggest crutch for women since the automatic transmission. Men know what burp works and what doesn't. We don't need statistical burp analysis to know when something sucks... and we don't write every burp thing you say down for use against you later... we just don't give a burp. much simpler that way. Suffice it to say this company makes hard drives for women - loud and unreliable.
Go right ahead and buy as many Maxtor drives as you want honey, us men will stick with baconnaise that works to archive our important man data (porn).
#7: Ignoring your nonsensical sexism - if I give you an apple and you find a worm in it, your conclusion is going to be that all apples have worms in it. A wise person would understand that some apples will have worms in them. The trick is to knowing whether some types of apples are more or less prone to having worms in them.
Firstly, you are assuming I would accept said apple from you, which I certainly would not. Secondly, it's pretty damn clear you have never had an apple tree in your back yard.
Anyone that thinks sexism is nonsensical is either too young or too dumb. We're equally good at different things - there is as much need for both sexes, just not here.
Any person who has spent significant time on Ben's, or experienced the joy of maxtor ownership over the companies life, would know better than to trust a maxtor. By throwing doubt of their dubious reliability into the ring with your bullshit statistical misdirection, you are encouraging fellow Ben's shoppers to consider this manufacturer. Clearly the sign of a vengeful person (as if the name wasn't a dead giveaway). Data (porn) loss is something no man would wish on another.
Now, if you are considering a fault tolerant raid environment, perhaps some cheap, loud and unreliable drives are the way to go... for someone more in touch with their feelings I guess. Of course you didn't mention that in your earlier statements ... no doubt expecting us to read your burp mind... another glaring indicator of a Y chromosome deficiency. Men know we are not mind readers.
fortunately the the rest of us ghetto dogs know that #1's single bad experience (as unfortunate as it may have been) is statistically insignificant. Think about it this way, does intense321 think that sex is terrible just because his first time with his mom didn't go the way he imagined it would?
toddsucks is correct...but gave the tech guru #1 too much credit. if #1's fat little sausage fingers covered with spooge didn't drop the drives prior to installation, they would work much more reliably.
How many ben's bargainers are there? maybe 5,000? I mean ones that actually leave a comment or two - and not the ones we pick up for the freebies/contests. Now out of that number, how many times have you heard about bad Maxtor experiences? What about Seagate? It's shocking the difference. Maxtor drives suck. Period. Even if I haven't had a statistically high number of field failures in the 120+ machines I've been administrating for the past decade, I could put two and two together and tell you that Maxtor drives suck.
If you fools wanna laugh in the face of logic (yet another typically female trait), go for it and Maxtor yourself to rapture. Part of the Ben's experience is gleaning info off other's posts. I understand this is a completely foreign concept for you Toddsucks2, but for the rest of us, who are paying a little attention, it's a big part of why we come here.
oh, lighten up, cheap@ss. you sound like a bitter old middle aged man that got his doughnut taken to the cleaners in a divorce. every drive manufacturer has had bad lots, bad models, etc. show MTBF stats for this model or STFU.
I had no idea my initial assertion would spawn such controversy. toddsucks2: My sample size is over 2500 drives, over about a 20 year timeframe. Serving as a network administrator for a large corporation, I can say that my p value is less than 0.1 when I say that my failure rates are significantly higher for Maxtor drives than any of the other manufacturers. I don't have the exact data with me but I can compile it and send it to you if you tell me where to email it. My advice is to spend $10 more and get a WD or Seagate drive. If you take your chances with the Maxtor, good luck!
I know that just because I had a problem with the Maxtor drives doesn't necessarily mean that you will. We typically order drives 100-200 at a time, so it's entirely possible we just got a few bad batches. I do remember about 10 Maxtors failing within 2 days last year. I've had WDs, Seagates, and IBM drives fail as well, but just not nearly in the sheer numbers that the Maxtors did. I would rate the relative failure rates (from low to high as follows): 1) Seagate 2) WD 3) Hitachi 4) IBM 5) Maxtor. Just one overworked netadmin's take though. Take it or leave it. No big deal..
soccermom: I'm not even sure how to respond to your comment about my spooge and sausage fingers. You hurt my feelings. I'm crying now.
Under similar conditions (e ups/machine/workload/uptime etc..) 2 WD = 2 dead 2 Maxtor = 1 dead + 1 started to give write failures 1 Seegate = Still running flawlessly.
This is a great hard drive if you want to lose your data within 1 month of installation.
thx for the info #1, iam in for 2
data's way over rated anyway.
think of it as a monthly fresh start....
#1: What was the size of your sample set that let you determine that statistically Maxtor's fail after a month? What percentage fail? What type of usage pattern were you looking at?
Please, enlighten us all.
sincerely,
toddsucks
No kidding, #1.
Bought 2 Maxtors in the past and both literally died 1 day after the 30 day return for refund/replace date from newegg and a separate one from buy.com
Yes yes, I know that Seagate now takes care of the returns..which is nice, because what I got back was just that and it's been running ever since without a hiccup.
It's no wonder that chick that goes by 'toddsucks2' brings burp math into this. Math is the biggest crutch for women since the automatic transmission. Men know what burp works and what doesn't. We don't need statistical burp analysis to know when something sucks... and we don't write every burp thing you say down for use against you later... we just don't give a burp. much simpler that way. Suffice it to say this company makes hard drives for women - loud and unreliable.
Go right ahead and buy as many Maxtor drives as you want honey, us men will stick with baconnaise that works to archive our important man data (porn).
#7: Ignoring your nonsensical sexism - if I give you an apple and you find a worm in it, your conclusion is going to be that all apples have worms in it. A wise person would understand that some apples will have worms in them. The trick is to knowing whether some types of apples are more or less prone to having worms in them.
Your reply is ridiculous.
sincerely,
toddsucks
Firstly, you are assuming I would accept said apple from you, which I certainly would not. Secondly, it's pretty damn clear you have never had an apple tree in your back yard.
Anyone that thinks sexism is nonsensical is either too young or too dumb. We're equally good at different things - there is as much need for both sexes, just not here.
Any person who has spent significant time on Ben's, or experienced the joy of maxtor ownership over the companies life, would know better than to trust a maxtor. By throwing doubt of their dubious reliability into the ring with your bullshit statistical misdirection, you are encouraging fellow Ben's shoppers to consider this manufacturer. Clearly the sign of a vengeful person (as if the name wasn't a dead giveaway). Data (porn) loss is something no man would wish on another.
Now, if you are considering a fault tolerant raid environment, perhaps some cheap, loud and unreliable drives are the way to go... for someone more in touch with their feelings I guess. Of course you didn't mention that in your earlier statements ... no doubt expecting us to read your burp mind... another glaring indicator of a Y chromosome deficiency. Men know we are not mind readers.
fortunately the the rest of us ghetto dogs know that #1's single bad experience (as unfortunate as it may have been) is statistically insignificant. Think about it this way, does intense321 think that sex is terrible just because his first time with his mom didn't go the way he imagined it would?
toddsucks is correct...but gave the tech guru #1 too much credit. if #1's fat little sausage fingers covered with spooge didn't drop the drives prior to installation, they would work much more reliably.
How many ben's bargainers are there? maybe 5,000? I mean ones that actually leave a comment or two - and not the ones we pick up for the freebies/contests. Now out of that number, how many times have you heard about bad Maxtor experiences? What about Seagate? It's shocking the difference. Maxtor drives suck. Period. Even if I haven't had a statistically high number of field failures in the 120+ machines I've been administrating for the past decade, I could put two and two together and tell you that Maxtor drives suck.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/computer/data-backup.htm
If you fools wanna laugh in the face of logic (yet another typically female trait), go for it and Maxtor yourself to rapture. Part of the Ben's experience is gleaning info off other's posts. I understand this is a completely foreign concept for you Toddsucks2, but for the rest of us, who are paying a little attention, it's a big part of why we come here.
oh, lighten up, cheap@ss. you sound like a bitter old middle aged man that got his doughnut taken to the cleaners in a divorce. every drive manufacturer has had bad lots, bad models, etc. show MTBF stats for this model or STFU.
Its nice to know that intelligent and enlightened debate on Ben's site hasn't been replaced by moronic, post-happy, flamecidal ranting.
if it mattera any, I've owned a maxtor, and it died. I've owned two WD and they havent died yet.
You are a tech god! You've administered 120 machines in 10 years...<sigh>.
Your link is proof of nothing, no sample size, etc.
I've had Maxtors running in servers for years with no issues.
I had no idea my initial assertion would spawn such controversy. toddsucks2: My sample size is over 2500 drives, over about a 20 year timeframe. Serving as a network administrator for a large corporation, I can say that my p value is less than 0.1 when I say that my failure rates are significantly higher for Maxtor drives than any of the other manufacturers. I don't have the exact data with me but I can compile it and send it to you if you tell me where to email it. My advice is to spend $10 more and get a WD or Seagate drive. If you take your chances with the Maxtor, good luck!
I know that just because I had a problem with the Maxtor drives doesn't necessarily mean that you will. We typically order drives 100-200 at a time, so it's entirely possible we just got a few bad batches. I do remember about 10 Maxtors failing within 2 days last year. I've had WDs, Seagates, and IBM drives fail as well, but just not nearly in the sheer numbers that the Maxtors did. I would rate the relative failure rates (from low to high as follows): 1) Seagate 2) WD 3) Hitachi 4) IBM 5) Maxtor. Just one overworked netadmin's take though. Take it or leave it. No big deal..
soccermom: I'm not even sure how to respond to your comment about my spooge and sausage fingers. You hurt my feelings. I'm crying now.
I am a soccer mom and I know all there is to know about everything.
I bought one of these Maxtors 2 weeks ago for $80 w/ free shipping. This is no deal.
sample size=5
Under similar conditions (e ups/machine/workload/uptime etc..)
2 WD = 2 dead
2 Maxtor = 1 dead + 1 started to give write failures
1 Seegate = Still running flawlessly.