I simply can't believe that a card is coming out with this kind of performance in this price range. Clearly AMD wants ATi back in the marketshare game, and is willing to invest heavily in it. nVidia has to be freaking out at this pricing.
I'm going to build a new system in the next month or two, and this is clearly the GPU I'm going for (unless the 4870 comes down as much off list as this is).
There are fix's for upping the fan speed, which some say does help while make the noise not totally objectionable. This price is shocking ADM/ATI are at ramming speed this right now. It's a one-two (4850-4870) punch, the KO will be the 4870X2 hits.
#12, I suspect the issue is that NewEgg knows these are going to sell with or without the rebate. Since rebates create support hassles for them, they are probably just choosing not to push the rebate for now.
#9, don't get overly enthused by the X2 - the AMD/ATi chips do not scale up as well in a parallel configuration, so the gains, while nice to have for very high end applications, are not all that exciting on that side of things (but, hey, the single chip stuff is exciting enough as it is!).
Gummy -- I agree the Cross-Fire side of this in past and today appears wroth with issues. I understand your judgment that C-F doesn't scale great “it's hit and miss†for many titles, but reading the latest C-F reviews those reviewers are indicating ATI is working and are wringing-out driver issues post hast. (purportedly by the point X2 is ready) Consider in C-F ATI's larger tactic “small cost effective part(s)†that can take on the monolithic strategy Nvidia is using. They haven't turned their back, they just need to get the drives figured. When it scales right it, works awesome.
There was a lot of chatter the onboard bridge chip that does the C-F link part, wasn't as smart as having it internal on the GPU. The word was ATI could integrated that logic in on a new generation and lose the bridge chip altogether. That improves the board size and layout making for a much more eloquent and cost effective solution. The old PCIe 1.1 Bus 48 lanes (16 back and forth the chips/and mobo) wasn't all that saturated, but the 2.0 spec is readily something that could be done in the change. I see a bigger issue in the heat and power they are trying to overcome.
Hey, monkieinabarrel what are you reading? Did eVGA kill that as too many bought the 9800GTX at more than the GTX+ will list... Like yea send me my 55nm card and a $50 check please? I don't think so...
i didn't say they are discontinuing it, i meant all those people who justify buying evga (nvidia) cards saying they will step up just wasted their money since there really isn't an nvidia card worth stepping up to right now. two months ago if you bought a g92/94 card saying you would step up when nvidia releases their rv770 killer... well you will be disappointed my friends.
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these runs too hot ~100C I'll wait for the dual slot version coming out next month...
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I would get the thermalright cooler
Considering the 4850 generally beats the 9800GTX in benchmarks and uses 20% less power than the 8800GT, this card is a steal for $150.
ATI is back.
I simply can't believe that a card is coming out with this kind of performance in this price range. Clearly AMD wants ATi back in the marketshare game, and is willing to invest heavily in it. nVidia has to be freaking out at this pricing.
I'm going to build a new system in the next month or two, and this is clearly the GPU I'm going for (unless the 4870 comes down as much off list as this is).
well how does it compare to the 200 series of nvidia? even if the nvidia cards come close.. the ati pricing is insane..
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HD 4870 > GTX280(due to double 4870's price)> GTX260 > 9800GTX+ or 4850 > 9800GTX> 8800GTX> 8800GTS > 8800GT>HD 3870...
Anandtech review:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/sh...=3341&p=23
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=23
There are fix's for upping the fan speed, which some say does help while make the noise not totally objectionable. This price is shocking ADM/ATI are at ramming speed this right now. It's a one-two (4850-4870) punch, the KO will be the 4870X2 hits.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032664853
these runs too hot ~100C I'll wait for the dual slot version coming out next month...
Other are saying that just remounting the cooler with Artic Silver /Ceramique is helping 15C with another indicating 20C....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191096
Interestingly the rate isn't up on the Eggs' product page but Ben link is good? Looks legit!
#12, I suspect the issue is that NewEgg knows these are going to sell with or without the rebate. Since rebates create support hassles for them, they are probably just choosing not to push the rebate for now.
#9, don't get overly enthused by the X2 - the AMD/ATi chips do not scale up as well in a parallel configuration, so the gains, while nice to have for very high end applications, are not all that exciting on that side of things (but, hey, the single chip stuff is exciting enough as it is!).
so much for evga step up program. their bottomline must be starting to hurt
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Gummy -- I agree the Cross-Fire side of this in past and today appears wroth with issues. I understand your judgment that C-F doesn't scale great “it's hit and miss†for many titles, but reading the latest C-F reviews those reviewers are indicating ATI is working and are wringing-out driver issues post hast. (purportedly by the point X2 is ready) Consider in C-F ATI's larger tactic “small cost effective part(s)†that can take on the monolithic strategy Nvidia is using. They haven't turned their back, they just need to get the drives figured. When it scales right it, works awesome.
There was a lot of chatter the onboard bridge chip that does the C-F link part, wasn't as smart as having it internal on the GPU. The word was ATI could integrated that logic in on a new generation and lose the bridge chip altogether. That improves the board size and layout making for a much more eloquent and cost effective solution. The old PCIe 1.1 Bus 48 lanes (16 back and forth the chips/and mobo) wasn't all that saturated, but the 2.0 spec is readily something that could be done in the change.
I see a bigger issue in the heat and power they are trying to overcome.
Hey, monkieinabarrel what are you reading? Did eVGA kill that as too many bought the 9800GTX at more than the GTX+ will list... Like yea send me my 55nm card and a $50 check please?
I don't think so...
i didn't say they are discontinuing it, i meant all those people who justify buying evga (nvidia) cards saying they will step up just wasted their money since there really isn't an nvidia card worth stepping up to right now. two months ago if you bought a g92/94 card saying you would step up when nvidia releases their rv770 killer... well you will be disappointed my friends.
btw. i think its highly unlikely they will give you $50 and a 9800gtx+ for your gtx.
let me know if they do. that would be highly amusing.
it is amazing how the 8800GTX was the king and was prices at 500 bucks and now...sub 200. gotta love competition.