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Posted at 5:51 PM on Sunday 09/6/09 by
Ben
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Buy.com has the Sony BCG-34HD4 Super-Quick Worldwide Battery Charger with 4 AA 2300mAh NiMH Batteries for $18 + $4 shipping = $22 shipped. Charges four AA and AAA batteries at a time. [Compare]
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    Solow - Posted 7:16 pm PDT 09/6/09 (3070 Posts)  Report Spam

    I have this and I think and it's great. It charges quickly and has a feature to refresh batteries, which drains them before charging to prevent memory.

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    dave_c - Posted 8:22 pm PDT 09/6/09 (17707 Posts)  Report Spam

    NiMH don't have memory effect #1, the only time you would ever want to drain before charging is if the batteries had sat unused for several weeks at a time, then in doing so you will get a fuller recharge without having to wait for it to top-off trickle charging after a rapid charge rate terminates.

    Otherwise, regularly "refreshing" a cell just reduces it's lifetime, though since batteries are cheap some will consider it a fair tradeoff just to ensure max charge when it's needed.

    Even so, today there are arguably better options like Low Self Discharge, Sanyo Eneloops and they seem to degrade less over time, have longer lifespans. I doubt I'll ever buy any non LSD NiMH again.

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    samijubal - Posted 8:38 pm PDT 09/6/09 (1105 Posts)  Report Spam

    That no memory is what manufacterers tell us and want us to believe. The truth is if the batteries are fully discharged every time before charging they will perform considerably better after a few cycles of full charging/discharging. It doesn't reduce battery lifetime, it's just the opposite, it extends it. If you don't belive me just try it for yourself. Rechargable batteries like to be used. The worst thing you can do with them is not use them enough, that's what will kill them fast.

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    Muskie - Posted 8:59 pm PDT 09/6/09 (96 Posts)  Report Spam

    There is a root kit in these batteries that will self install itself onto any device you use them in!!!!

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    MikeS - Posted 10:03 pm PDT 09/6/09 (579 Posts)  Report Spam

    #2 dave_c,

    -- What is LSD NiMH? What is the LSD ingredient you speak of?

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    MikeS - Posted 10:07 pm PDT 09/6/09 (579 Posts)  Report Spam

    #3 samijubal,

    >> Rechargable batteries like to be used. The worst thing you can do with them is not use them enough, that's what will kill them fast.

    -- Yeah. I've heard and read that in general. Just like laptop batteries. You gotta use 'em as far as you can before recharging and then recharge them.
    -- So in other words, take advantage of the dang things being that all rechargeables last a considerable amt of time.
    -- I just got 10 hours out of a couple of PowerEx 2700NiMH AA batteries in my Cassiopeia A-20 HPC Handheld PC, the other day. That's a new record for this high-drain device.

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    doomed - Posted 10:28 pm PDT 09/6/09 (1241 Posts)  Report Spam

    lots of disinformation in this thread..

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    btc909 - Posted 10:30 pm PDT 09/6/09 (2775 Posts)  Report Spam

    Nice charger. Toss those Sony batteries & load up on some Eneloops.

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    baconbits - Posted 10:32 pm PDT 09/6/09 (385 Posts)  Report Spam

    I have these. It takes around 15 minutes to charge the batteries. And then you gotta wait another 15 for them to cool down.

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    cheapandlots - Posted 12:28 am PDT 09/7/09 (177 Posts)  Report Spam

    Spend an extra $20 and get a La Crosse or Maha - much better chargers.

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    bunnie - Posted 8:51 am PDT 09/7/09 (342 Posts)  Report Spam

    Great advice from long ago, get a LaCrosse charger and Eneloop batteries from Ama zon.

    I switched to all Eneloop NiMh batteries and I've never had to throw one away because it wouldn't charge right.

    I use the Eneloop AAs in my flash and they put out an amazing number of flashes, never had to switch to a second set of batteries.

    The Sonys above may be OK, I don't know, but for sure the Eneloops are the best I've ever had and on the LaCrosse charger you can see a three digit display of how discharged they are and switches to Full when done.

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    NorthSouth - Posted 9:22 am PDT 09/7/09 (2698 Posts)  Report Spam

    I like eneloops too.

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    grumpydog - Posted 9:38 am PDT 09/7/09 (1649 Posts)  Report Spam

    I think the eneloop with charger and adaptor package at costco is cheaper per battery than this.
    I figure regular nimh to be worth MAYBE 1.50 each. If you are generous and say $5 for the charger, that makes this package worth $11, not 22.

    years ago I bought 10xAA lenmar 2000 mah nimhs for $10 at frys.
    now I only buy the eneloop or other LSD ones if they were cheap enough

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    bbsam - Posted 10:42 am PDT 09/7/09 (500 Posts)  Report Spam

    Must be paying a premium for the "Super-Quick" feature.

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    dave_c - Posted 2:44 pm PDT 09/7/09 (17707 Posts)  Report Spam

    samijubal wrote:
    That no memory is what manufacterers tell us and want us to believe. The truth is if the batteries are fully discharged every time before charging they will perform considerably better after a few cycles of full charging/discharging. It doesn't reduce battery lifetime, it's just the opposite, it extends it. If you don't belive me just try it for yourself. Rechargable batteries like to be used. The worst thing you can do with them is not use them enough, that's what will kill them fast.


    Not just manufacturers, scientific testing and damn near every reputable website on the internet states this. What you are observing is one of two things, either a charger that cannot charge properly because it depends on an overly conservative Delta -V sensing value and terminates before a full charge if the cells ramp up too quickly in temperature (which causes the Delta -V voltage if a partially charged cell is cold when it is near the rapid temp increase portion of charging,

    -OR

    Charger itself is never good at charging, only manages to improve it's charge rate by pre-heating the battery during a discharge-recharge period.

    Either way, the charger is at fault. It's not surprising a manufacturer would design a cheap one to undercharge in many scenarios instead of risking overcharge damage due to not having enough sensing of cell temperature directly, ambient temperature, and a comparison between the rate of change over time. It would require an additional IC or two raisin... [Truncated]

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    bbsam - Posted 3:56 pm PDT 09/7/09 (500 Posts)  Report Spam

    FWIW:
    http://www.greenbatteries.com/nibafa.html#NiCd%20vs%20NiMH

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    Crash And Burn - Posted 8:19 am PDT 09/8/09 (3142 Posts)  Report Spam

    Fast charge = bad for batteries. Carry a second set..

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    nextel2010 - Posted 11:00 am PDT 09/8/09 (352 Posts)  Report Spam

    Batteryuniversity.com has some interesting information on battery chemistries, although the site is fairly dated so I'm not sure if what on there applies to new chemistries (for example, there's no mention of the LSD MH battery types).

    I have a LaCrosse charger and use only Eneloops. Those batteries are amazing; they last forever. The charger is a smart charger in that it can individually charge/condition each cell (the only way to safely charge and prolong your batteries), and gives you tons of information about your batteries.

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